Ali G moderates an expert panel discussion on animal rights. Some of the stuff he comes out with is hilarious.

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Enter the text you see:                 Dayglo 2 years ago Boyacashaw! Imsodamnlost 2 years ago BOOYAKASHA Stephan 2 years ago Funny guy (beer) Dayglo 2 years ago [quote]On 10-10-06 00:29 Imsodamnlost wrote: BOOYAKASHA[/quote] Ali G: FB FBI Agent: FBI Ali G: Iiiiiiiiiaght lollipimp 2 years ago Hahahah!!! He said " wht if someone paid u a hundred SQUID" ...lol..(beer)(beer)(beer) QUIDS FOR EVERYONE!!!(j)(j)(j) drsjohnny 2 years ago that was awsome Smoke 2 years ago eat this chikin or we kill another chikin :D Dunnojo 2 years ago Jagshemash! (j)(j) oberon 2 years ago some ppl get so screwed in their animal welfare thing, that they do not concern about conservation at all. They think a popultion has no feelings, so it can go extinct, and animals responsible for the extinction should not be controlled, by any means. I care about animals and their welfare, as any moral human would. But never, NEVER put individual interest above the interest of a population. slappy 2 years ago Stfu oberon....life is meant to derive a technological singularity and we are all the slaves who build it so shut up with what you FINKS is Effical Kilda_Ladies 2 years ago ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh u gon take that? oberon 2 years ago [quote]On 10-10-06 07:49 slappy wrote: Stfu oberon....life is meant to derive a technological singularity and we are all the slaves who build it so shut up with what you FINKS is Effical[/quote] sorry i was shopping for some big-papers, but im back. Tell me what you mean, and i can react. whats effical? FinalBoss 2 years ago 023.018 And we send down from the sky water in measure, and We give it lodging in the earth, and lo! We are Able to withdraw it. 023.019 With it We grow for you gardens of date-palms and vines: in them have ye abundant fruits: and of them ye eat (and have enjoyment),- 023.020 Also a tree springing out of Mount Sinai, which produces oil, and relish for those who use it for food. 023.021 And in cattle (too) ye have an instructive example: from within their bodies We produce (milk) for you to drink; there are, in them, (besides), numerous (other) benefits for you; and of their (meat) ye eat; oberon 2 years ago FB, I agree we should apreciate cattle and wildlife, but don't you think humans domesticated animals (i.e: wildlife into domesticated subspecies)? FinalBoss 2 years ago [quote]On 10-10-06 10:49 oberon wrote: FB, I agree we should apreciate cattle and wildlife, but don't you think humans domesticated animals (i.e: wildlife into domesticated subspecies)?[/quote] offcourse. but you cant domesticare all species. some are borb domestic. some are not. oberon 2 years ago [quote]On 10-10-06 11:25 FinalBoss wrote: [..] offcourse. but you cant domesticare all species. some are borb domestic. some are not.[/quote] It is not logical, what you say here. 'Some are born domesticated, some not.', has nothing to do with whetter a species is fit for domestication or not. domestication is a proces over thousends of generations, so being born a 'domesticated animal' is depending on human interference. Even if all was designed, or life itself was induced by some energy or 'god'(which is not impossible), it took humans to domesticate them, it was not given like this by god. my question is: 'could you believe that?' for your first word was 'offcourse' in the comment... FinalBoss 2 years ago [quote]On 10-10-06 11:40 oberon wrote: [..] It is not logical, what you say here. 'Some are born domesticated, some not.', has nothing to do with whetter a species is fit for domestication or not. domestication is a proces over thousends of generations, so being born a 'domesticated animal' is depending on human interference. Even if all was designed, or life itself was induced by some energy or 'god'(which is not impossible), it took humans to domesticate them, it was not given like this by god. my question is: 'could you believe that?' for your first word was 'offcourse' in the comment... [/quote] Yeah sure. but I take back my comment 'Some are born domesticated, some not.' and refrase it. Some animals are easier to domesticate then others. Horses for example. if born in the wild can be domesticated easily. if born in a farm even easier. Lions, how ever cant be domesticated easily. and even if they where born in your house it would be temprery. for they are born with a diffrant nature. they are most likely to attack its owner. heck, tigers eat there children. the trick was to feed it enough so that it wont have an intrest in more food. but if it got hungry then your dinnier. now, the thing is. the animals that are easier to domesticate are animals that benefit humans. the more benefit the easier to domesticate. Checkins rabbits cows sheep goats horses camels donkeys pegins ducks dogs ets. oberon 2 years ago [quote]On 10-10-06 19:08 FinalBoss wrote: [..] Yeah sure. but I take back my comment 'Some are born domesticated, some not.' and refrase it. Some animals are easier to domesticate then others. Horses for example. if born in the wild can be domesticated easily. if born in a farm even easier. Lions, how ever cant be domesticated easily. and even if they where born in your house it would be temprery. for they are born with a diffrant nature. they are most likely to attack its owner. heck, tigers eat there children. the trick was to feed it enough so that it wont have an intrest in more food. but if it got hungry then your dinnier. now, the thing is. the animals that are easier to domesticate are animals that benefit humans. the more benefit the easier to domesticate. Checkins rabbits cows sheep goats horses camels donkeys pegins ducks dogs ets.[/quote] You need to distinguish 'Species' and 'individuals'. As I said, domestication is a process of thousends of generations, so it involves a group of animals (of a certain species) and their bloodline, for many generations. Everytime you pick the 'individuals' in that group with the features you want (thats how you can make different dogbreeds, horsebreeds aswell) Now, some species are more easy to domesticate than others. Wild horses(Equus ferus) were domesticcated into horses as we know them (Equus ferus callabus) Wolves (Canis lupus) into 'dogs' (Canis lupus familliaris) Wild Cats(Felis sylvestris) into domestic cats (Felis sylvestris cattus) A domestic cat that does not life in a home but int the nature is a wild Cat not a Wildcat. Lions are not domesticated, so trying to TAME a lion is unwise (btw: if it attacks it has 'nothing' to do with hunger, but more with a emotional state, or ilness (tamedElephants sometimes attack to, but not out of hunger...) Those '(Sub-)Species' that benefit humans the most,doesn't again s FinalBoss 2 years ago [quote]On 11-10-06 08:34 oberon wrote: [..] You need to distinguish 'Species' and 'individuals'. As I said, domestication is a process of thousends of generations, so it involves a group of animals (of a certain species) and their bloodline, for many generations. Everytime you pick the 'individuals' in that group with the features you want (thats how you can make different dogbreeds, horsebreeds aswell) Now, some species are more easy to domesticate than others. Wild horses(Equus ferus) were domesticcated into horses as we know them (Equus ferus callabus) Wolves (Canis lupus) into 'dogs' (Canis lupus familliaris) Wild Cats(Felis sylvestris) into domestic cats (Felis sylvestris cattus) A domestic cat that does not life in a home but int the nature is a wild Cat not a Wildcat. Lions are not domesticated, so trying to TAME a lion is unwise (btw: if it attacks it has 'nothing' to do with hunger, but more with a emotional state, or ilness (tamedElephants sometimes attack to, but not out of hunger...) Those '(Sub-)Species' that benefit humans the most,doesn't again say anything about its ability to become domesticated (Zebras are similar to horses, but very VERY unable to become domesticated) besides, the extend of the benefit (e.g. litres of milk production in cows) is ALL reliable on the proces of domestication, and the physiological abilities of the species (the more milk a cow produces, the sooner it will die, but the feature is very genetical influenced) Does this provides you fresh insight? And does it sound like the truth to you? [/quote] Im not an biologist or anything. [b]A domestic cat that does not life in a home but int the nature is a wild Cat not a Wildcat. Lions are not domesticated, so trying to TAME a lion is unwise [/b] because cats are different than wild cats. I dont dis agree with that. they are diffrent. yeah they are from the same family. but they are diff revenger 2 years ago Did you , guys eveer the the bush cat, so as we called them here. They are not so big as their bloodskin the lions, but if you ever meet thewm in the woods of Scandanavian, go out of their way, because they are capable of killing you esp. when they have pubs. oberon 2 years ago revenger, shut up, you talk bullshit. What bushcat? (felines get cubs or kittens) FB My point was, you cannot take an animal (individual) and try domesticate is. Domestication is like natural selection(evolution) done by humans. 1. close in a group of animals 2. make them rely on you 3. control feeding, breeding and medical care 4. control genetics by selecting the right individuals for breeding. From the same wolve, they grew the chihuaha And the Bullmastif (and all other dogbreeds) -Domestication is not the same as taming a wild animal- [quote]the more domesticated the more milk you would get has noting to do with nature. its like a normal bodybuilder that would drink protein and sleep longer hours and eat on a special diet so he would grow his muscles bigger. bring a cow and do the same thing to it.[/quote] Is not true, Dutch cow breed produce the most milk in the world, ALL BECAUSE OF BREEDING. Same for dogs(i refer to dogs as much as i can, cus those are the best known exemple) some dogsbreeds where for hunting (even difference in big-game, water-fowl, foxes) all selected over generation for the right features (ALL DERIVE (IN)DIRECTLY FROM THE WOLVE) some dogs for pretecting sheep, etc. All done over thousends of generations. We decide which will breed or not. Now, in nature, nature does that. It's personal features, which distinguish him from others members from his species give him either advantage or disadvantage in both 'surviving' and 'reproducing'(natural breeding). So it either provides him more offspreing with the same features or less than his neighboor. About the Dinosaurs, there is only theories. Never came a bird from a dinosaur egg. Still very little mutation might gave some individuals benefits, and so their offspring (especially with a very strong presense of the former mutation) in that way, flying dinosaurs come from the walking dinosaurs (taking millions of generations) from those flying dinosaurs some lost t Stephan 2 years ago I think this whole discussion is most interresting although im not so sure about the healing hands of jesus thing. How can those ''special powers'' evolve? Sure you can grow wings but healing powers? Sounds a bit RPG like.:) oberon 2 years ago That is because some people believe in 'supernatural' which is not supernatural, just unexplained(yet). Just like reiki(healing hands), jezus could do it, so ppl thought he was the son off god. nowaydays many ppl do it and many still dont believe in it. I said, that even if you believe in jezus, reiki, chi etc.(many ppl believe in at least one of them), it still could be evolved, along the time. (because it took us 5 billion years to evolve we, all agree. So i combine the things...) FinalBoss 2 years ago hi oberon you should know that your talking to a student of architecture so abviosly i dont know alot about biology. actualy i do but not in a scientific way so its hard for me to communicate my thoughts specialy when english is my second languege. so i ask you when reading my words to try to understand what im saying. [quote]Is not true, Dutch cow breed produce the most milk in the world, ALL BECAUSE OF BREEDING. [/quote] is true and i didnt deny breeding. humans breed too. if your tall with a history of tall people in your family and your wife is like wise then your son would probably be tall. breading is true with animals and trees also. but see you might make a good breed of lets say palm trees. and the prudoce would be great. but take away the water and the dates wouldnt grow as big. cows or body builders they have genes that make them better. true no one is like the other. some guys cant develop upperchests because of there genes. cows also might not make good milk because of its genes. but bring a man with exellent genes for bodybuilding but do not let him train hm self. he wil simply not have a great body and a cow with exellent genes to produce milk and dont feed her what is needed. its milk will wouldnt be that great. anyways. to the heart of the subject. lets go to the creation of mankind. not back from the begining but in his mothers womb. how is he created my natural selection. how is it that these single cells act to build him. bone before muscle? how is it that the cells commit group suicide between the places that would be fingers to creat them? do they have a commen brain that controlls them? oberon 2 years ago Hi Finalboss It's nice to see you're a student yourslef too. English is my second language too, so most of the quran stuff you post are too difficult to understand fully;) I see you think that breeding was indeed out of gods hands in direct sense. I fully agree that cows and bodybuilders do not accomplish the same results when the conditions are not perfect, conditions are very determining. I compare the cases when only genetics difer, equal conditions, right? How an embryo develops in a uturus is very similar in al vertebrates (i.e. fish->amphibians->reptiles->mammals/birds *in order of evolution*) It works like that, and had very long to evoluate this way. I dont doubt it works any other way then biological proven. What is an interesting question is: 'at what time does the soul develop' and 'how does it develop' (might be tranfered from the mother, which explain why mother can feel when something goes wrong with the child even when the offspring is born long ago) another thing is, that if we have a soul which gives us some form off selfconscience and conscience, what species have it too? This is the point where the religious difer from me. For the christian/jewish/islamic believes it is no question at all wheter animals can have a soul, that i pity. So if you have selfconsience, which gives you certan rights (human rights) how do you measure this selfconscience, for selfconscience would mean one could witniss emotions of all kinds. Could a chimpanzee not have a better selfconscience then one dement elderny, or a baby? That could rais the question: Do not some animals species earn 'Rights'!!! (we do give them to them with low selfconscience) If so, that would mean that it was not god who gave us our soul, but it was rather a product of evoltion. Which could result in more highly inteligent species in the far future (think of dolphins, apes, parrots, pigs(very inteligent)!) DaygloSISTER 2 years ago [quote]On 10-10-06 11:25 FinalBoss wrote: [..] offcourse. but you cant domesticare all species. some are borb domestic. some are not.[/quote] Arabs cant be domesticated - back to the jungle, you monkey. Jewish_Rosho 2 years ago [quote]On 26-10-06 13:35 DaygloSISTER wrote: [..] Arabs cant be domesticated - back to the jungle, you monkey.[/quote] :D Final_Boss 2 years ago @oberon :) well..i have no knowledge on that and i believe that no one does.we only have theories. anyway. In the Quran Allah says: There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but (forms part of) communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end. 006.038 Final_Boss 2 years ago also "And they ask you about the soul. Say: The soul is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little." 017.085