hello, everybody, ever seen a wrecked up car, now you
can see
it , the first time you can see it thanks to sparrow.
:D
levinescence
2 years ago
Holy shiet....
Final_Boss
2 years ago
well...what was he doing there in the first place.
doesnt the site of a car driving twards you signal to
your brain the need to flee?
jappie
2 years ago
no, man, he was busy to close his fly :(:(:(
levinescence
2 years ago
Some people LAG in the head...lagging...:D
KILDAKITTY
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 08:22 jappie wrote:
no, man, he was busy to close his fly :(:(:([/quote]
why dont u do that once in a while u horny
shitfuck no one wants to see yr shemale
organisms
Souljah
2 years ago
(omg) ohhh hard lagg ;'(;'( that really looked nasty :o
jappie
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 08:25 KILDAKITTY wrote:
[..]
why dont u do that once in a while u horny
shitfuck no one wants to see yr shemale
organisms[/quote]
and
no one will see yr orgasms while yr are f ucking a
child, you dirty
pedo.
BOZOZO
2 years ago
That must have hurt....
hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
jappie
2 years ago
cars have no feelings hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Vasma
2 years ago
hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
sub__low
2 years ago
yip, think that might leave a little mark !
sloppyjosef
2 years ago
[s]hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii?[/s]:?
Rougie
2 years ago
I've seen similar, but it involved a little kid, a
bunch of angry Muslims, and wasn't an accident.
Souljah
2 years ago
you refer to the "punishment" of the little
boy driving over his arm/ or leg with a jeep.......very
sick one:(:(
Rougie
2 years ago
Yeah, that's the one.
Souljah
2 years ago
Respect to all people imo...but that just a prove of
how low life some people are :(
sluggo_
2 years ago
I saw that too. pretty sick:(
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 09:11 Souljah wrote:
you refer to the "punishment" of the little
boy driving over his arm/ or leg with a jeep.......very
sick one:(:([/quote]
that was not a punishment these people are something
like a circus and its a show..the video is around here
some where seek it out and you will find the same
people that call it sick admiting that its
fake.........there is no limits to hate :(
Souljah
2 years ago
Hey buddy i pay a lot of respect to your
Religion.......I hate nobody so don´t think just
because i didn´t know it was fake (i´m not sure about
it as a fake) i will flame over your religion
I flame over people that rape their religion for
justifying massmurder...equal WHAT RELIGION
So i need u to dig that.. Have a nice day
(beer)(beer)(j)
sluggo_
2 years ago
I never said it was fake. don't know what it was. the
thought of it is pretty sick:o
Rougie
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 09:20 Final_Boss wrote:
that was not a punishment
[/quote]
You're an idiot.
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 09:24 Souljah wrote:
Hey buddy i pay a lot of respect to your
Religion.......I hate nobody so don´t think just
because i didn´t know it was fake (i´m not sure about
it as a fake) i will flame over your religion
I flame over people that rape their religion for
justifying massmurder...equal WHAT RELIGION
So i need u to dig that.. Have a nice day
(beer)(beer)(j)[/quote]
cool down buddy....by hate i was refering not to you
but for the guys that are feeding you
garbage:D...."hate" returns to them. :)
I know that your a respectful person it shows in your
posts thats why im spending time writing you this.
the thing is....they know that there is no such
punishment in islam and that the law doesnt apply to
kids in islam.....yet they like to spread false
information about something they hate.....lucky for
them im here.
Souljah
2 years ago
ok very sorry then.....thank you for spending your time
writing this
Have a nice day :)(beer)(j)
[quote]On 12-12-06 09:32 Final_Boss wrote:
the thing is....they know that there is no such
punishment in islam and that the law doesnt apply to
kids in islam.....yet they like to spread false
information about something they hate.....lucky for
them im here.[/quote]
The 'only adults' rule, albeit despicable regardless
though, is just yet another one of the 'bendy' rules of
Islam. I am sure they found a way to interpret Islam in
a way which allowed such actions. Just like Islamic
terrorists found a way to interpret Islam in a way
which allowed their actions too.
The fact is, Islam needs to be put down like a dog
before someone interprets the Quran in a way
which allows nuclear annihilation of the world, or just
as bad.
And don't give me shit about scholars. Nobody even
knows if the scholars are right. It's all
interpretation, and that has been reiterated time and
time again.
jappie
2 years ago
a car which believe. holy smoke, hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
sloppyjosef
2 years ago
christians vs muslims in a winner-take-all smash-up
derby!!!
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 09:42 Rougie wrote:
[..]
The 'only adults' rule, albeit despicable regardless
though, is just yet another one of the 'bendy' rules of
Islam. I am sure they found a way to interpret Islam in
a way which allowed such actions. Just like Islamic
terrorists found a way to interpret Islam in a way
which allowed their actions too.
The fact is, Islam needs to be put down like a dog
before someone interprets the Quran in a way
which allows nuclear annihilation of the world, or just
as bad.
And don't give me shit about scholars. Nobody even
knows if the scholars are right. It's all
interpretation, and that has been reiterated time and
time again.[/quote]
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_caught_stealin
g_bread3.htm
ps: you are fake
@ sloppyjosef
christianty is playing on second place...Islam took
first a long time ago.
Rougie
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 09:59 Final_Boss wrote:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_caught_stealin
g_bread3.htm
[/quote]
That's not proof of anything. The links to the images
don't even work.
ps: You haven't argued my other points, so I take it
you agree
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 10:04 Rougie wrote:
[..]
That's not proof of anything. The links to the images
don't even work.
ps: You haven't argued my other points, so I take it
you agree[/quote]
no i disagree...but i chose not to commet on them
because i already did and this is not the first time we
talked about this....apearently you know about islam
more then muslims...and what ever muslims say about
islam is false and you who believes that muslims drive
cars over children know better......so ill let you be
because its crazy to talk to a chair or a table. if you
go something other then islam to talk about ill lissen
and maybe ill agree with you...but about islam its sily
to agree to an anti-islam ignorant that wants to preach
muslims about islam. so there:?;):D:o:(:)(j)(beer);'(
and :D
in any case if you want to read my comment on the point
you mentioned you could always return to where ever you
posted it before and read my comments there....there is
no point in typing it again if you gonna ask the same
thing tomorow even though i would explane it today.
or you can simply read the Noble Quran im sure you
gonna find an answer to your misconceptions there.
oh i forgot
there:):(:o:D;):?;'((beer)(j)
Rougie
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 10:12 Final_Boss wrote:
no i disagree...but i chose not to commet on them
because i already did and this is not the first time we
talked about this....apearently you know about islam
more then muslims...and what ever muslims say about
islam is false and you who believes that muslims drive
cars over children know better......so ill let you be
because its crazy to talk to a chair or a table. if you
go something other then islam to talk about ill lissen
and maybe ill agree with you...but about islam its sily
to agree to an anti-islam ignorant that wants to preach
muslims about islam. so there:?;):D:o:(:)(j)(beer);'(
and :D
in any case if you want to read my comment on the point
you mentioned you could always return to where ever you
posted it before and read my comments there....there is
no point in typing it again if you gonna ask the same
thing tomorow even though i would explane it today.
or you can simply read the Noble Quran im sure you
gonna find an answer to your misconceptions there.
[/quote]
I have actually read the Quran, which is why I have so
many issues with it. I've identified exactly how
terrorists think, how such activities are justified,
how Islam is purely down to interpretation, and that
those who say their interpretations are the right ones
are just as legitimate as ones that I could make
myself. The simple fact is nobody knows what the Quran
truly means, except Mohammed himself, but he's dead, so
I guess you're just going to have to go on wondering.
Oh, that is, unless you get some mythical caliphate to
rise up and educate you... yeah riiight ¬_¬ Just like
Christians believe the rapture is coming within the
next 50 years and everyone will transcend to heaven.
You're all idiots, and I find it the height of comedy
for you to accuse me of being a brick wall (So to
speak), when you yourself are the biggest brick wall
ever, and this has been demonstrated time and time
again. You narrow minded fuck.
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 10:22 Rougie wrote:
[..]
I have actually read the Quran, which is why I have so
many issues with it. I've identified exactly how
terrorists think, how such activities are justified,
how Islam is purely down to interpretation, and that
those who say their interpretations are the right ones
are just as legitimate as ones that I could make
myself. The simple fact is nobody knows what the Quran
truly means, except Mohammed himself, but he's dead, so
I guess you're just going to have to go on wondering.
Oh, that is, unless you get some mythical caliphate to
rise up and educate you... yeah riiight ¬_¬ Just like
Christians believe the rapture is coming within the
next 50 years and everyone will transcend to heaven.
You're all idiots, and I find it the height of comedy
for you to accuse me of being a brick wall (So to
speak), when you yourself are the biggest brick wall
ever, and this has been demonstrated time and time
again. You narrow minded fuck.[/quote]
ok then. give me one example....just one
rockape
2 years ago
ouch
Rougie
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 10:32 Final_Boss wrote:
ok then. give me one example....just one[/quote]
One what?
sub__low
2 years ago
rougie are you searching the internet for an exert ?
hence the stalling question of
"one what ?"
:D(beer)
Rougie
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 10:38 sub__low wrote:
rougie are you searching the internet for an exert ?
hence the stalling question of
"one what ?"
[/quote]
No, I just want him to be more specific. He asks for
one example, but an example of what in particular?
aphid
2 years ago
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013967.php
Rougie
2 years ago
jihadwatch ftw - Nice find, Aphid (beer)(beer)
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 10:41 Rougie wrote:
[..]
No, I just want him to be more specific. He asks for
one example, but an example of what in
particular?[/quote]
an example of rotten vagina:D
aphid
2 years ago
urgh jesus, is that what that is in your avatar?
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 10:55 aphid wrote:
urgh jesus, is that what that is in your
avatar?[/quote]
don't you wish you had smellavision(beer)
Rougie
2 years ago
That is what Muslim women are like under their veil,
and what Muslim men have to look forward to when they
marry.
We must applaud such brave men (j)
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 10:35 Rougie wrote:
[..]
One what?[/quote]
example on how an aya in the Quran was interprated to
many things or opposite thing or completely diffrent
from another intepetation....and make it something from
the creed not from prophacies.
sluggo_
2 years ago
FB. I got a question for you. what do you think about
the summit Armajadejian (however it's spelt) the pres.
of Iran, had denying the holocaust? do you deny the
holocaust? is it all a lie? even though Germany has
admitted to it?
Rougie
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:01 Final_Boss wrote:
example on how an aya in the Quran was interprated to
many things or opposite thing or completely diffrent
from another intepetation....and make it something from
the creed not from prophacies.[/quote]
Let us take the "Mountains are pegs" example,
which Rosho used a while back.
He stated some scientific findings about the mass
equivalence of mountains to their subsurface alternate
mass, and so decided that this was what Mohammed meant
when he wrote that mountains are pegs.
Now I could come along and go "Mountains are
pegs...hmm, maybe he meant that they're good to hang
your washing on, because wind is generally more active
on mountains"
And as such, my interpretation is now just as
justifiable as the interpretation which Rosho gave.
Granted, I haven't looked through piles and piles of
Hadiths to help my interpretation, but it is still an
interpretation all the same.
Now apply the same procedure to all other Islamic
interpretations, and see what cool interpretations you
come up with. It's easy!
btw, you should read Aphid's link, it's rather good
reading. You simply cannot argue with what is said.
It's 'bulletproof', as you would say ;)
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:04 sluggo_ wrote:
FB. I got a question for you. what do you think about
the summit Armajadejian (however it's spelt) the pres.
of Iran, had denying the holocaust? do you deny the
holocaust? is it all a lie? even though Germany has
admitted to it? [/quote]
hmmmmm lets see.....i dont know what to say. it hurts
the feelings of jews so thats wrong.....but lots or
writers and historians have deny it or deny parts of it
like the number of jews killed. i simply dont know if
its true or not. but i know that holding such stuff is
ok because this is history and its in the past. doesnt
matter now....or does it? ;)
anyway tell me what do you think of some eurpe
countries forbiding and makeing ilegal to question the
holocaust?
w00t
2 years ago
That Ahmedinejad is a scary mofo. Students, the
intellectual part of Iran, if there is any, attacked
him the other day. Accusing him of being a dictator. In
Iran there is an educated minority, that doesn't like
the way Ahmadinejad <or whatever it is spelled>
is acting. He is isolating his own country. If it
wasn't for the oil, Iran would be just a deserted
"island" nowadays. Problem is, most of their
inhabitants are brainwashed. Walking like a little pet
dog behind their big leaders. Shouting that the
Holocaust never happened.
Come over to Europe some day, and I will show you the
devestating effects of WWII, FB. There is no space for
denying the Holocaust. It happened. You pesky little
Muslims are just so full of hate, especially towards
Jews, that you don't want to see it.
It's a shame. A bloody shame.
aphid
2 years ago
Here's another example:
008.012
When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you,
therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast
terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.
Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every
fingertip of them.
I quoted this verse a while back and dared to suggest
that some muslims might use this as a justification for
beheadings, such as in this article:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013978.php
I think it was Rosho who responded with something like
"please don't offer your western
interpretations", and presented his own far more
obtuse interpretation of the verse as fact.
Rougie
2 years ago
I should make a comedy version of the Quran. Like, go
through the entire thing and interpret it all in a way
which makes it sound totally funny :D
And who knows... it might actually be what Mohammed
intended it to be interpreted like!
I might even get a cool fatwa for doing so :D Go murder
go!
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:11 Final_Boss wrote:
[..]
hmmmmm lets see.....i dont know what to say. it hurts
the feelings of jews so thats wrong.....but lots or
writers and historians have deny it or deny parts of it
like the number of jews killed. i simply dont know if
its true or not. but i know that holding such stuff is
ok because this is history and its in the past. doesnt
matter now....or does it? ;)
anyway tell me what do you think of some eurpe
countries forbiding and makeing ilegal to question the
holocaust?[/quote]
I have been to Jewish community meetings, I have meet
survivors of the holocaust, I have seen the numbers
tattooed on them. to deny, not acknowledge such a
historical happening is absurd. I don't blame them, it
is an obvious happening. I think you are maybe taking
it a little out of context anyway. you can have a
question, but to go so far as to deny it is what I
think they are trying to say. I really don't know,
maybe w00t or some other euro can clear this up. what
exactly is the law about questioning the holocaust?
@w00t. I saw that too. there are some educated people
in that dust bowel after all. hopefully their voices
will be heard. :D
aphid
2 years ago
JALALPUR, Bangladesh - A Baptist lay pastor has been
beheaded in Bangladesh, the second Christian leader to
lose his life in that country in a year, according to a
Christian news organization.
Dulal Sarkar, 35, was attacked as he returned home from
discussing his faith with local villagers, reported
Compass Direct, which tracks incidents of Christian
persecution. One source later identified the assailants
as a group of 10 local Muslim extremists. After
reporting the incident, Sarkur's wife, mother and five
children have been forced to move from place to place
in fear for their lives.
According to local Christians, three arrests have been
made, but the remaining seven alleged attackers, who
reportedly have ties to the Jamaat-e-Islami political
party, are still at large. They fear the political
influence of Jamaat-e-Islami may prevent the case from
going to court, Compass Direct reported.
Meanwhile, Sarkur's widow has asked a Christian
orphanage to take three of their five children because
she cannot afford to support them.
The incident is the second beheading in a year, the
news service said. Abdul Gani, a prominent Christian
and physician, reportedly was decapitated by a gang in
the district of Jamalpur as he returned home from work
in September 2004. Gani was a counsel member of the
Bangladesh Baptist Fellowship.
In 2003 another Christian leader was murdered by a
group of eight men who attacked him in his home.
Christian evangelist Hridoy Roy was stabbed repeatedly
after being tied "crucifixion style" to his
bed. Roy was known for showing the Jesus film and
others about the life of Christ. Muslim neighbors
reportedly had warned him to stop...
Rougie
2 years ago
I think the only country you can't deny the holocaust
in, is Germany. For obvious reasons.
w00t
2 years ago
@Rougie.
It is a criminal offence as well here in Holland.
I have to agree on that note with FB. Freedom of speech
is something worth fighting for. And if you choose to
deny the Holocaust, then one must be allowed to do so.
It's just plain retarded. The evidence is here. In so
many places, throughout the whole of Europe.
One is making a real and bitter fool of himself, by
denying it.
But it doesn't surprise me. Most people, denying it,
believe in a silly old book as well.
Harry Potter Style all the way...
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:31 w00t wrote:
@Rougie.
It is a criminal offence as well here in Holland.
I have to agree on that note with FB. Freedom of speech
is something worth fighting for. And if you choose to
deny the Holocaust, then one must be allowed to do so.
It's just plain retarded. The evidence is here. In so
many places, throughout the whole of Europe.
One is making a real and bitter fool of himself, by
denying it.
But it doesn't surprise me. Most people, denying it,
believe in a silly old book as well.
Harry Potter Style all the way...[/quote]
denying it is one thing and yes I agree. if people want
to, go ahead use your freedom of speech and make
yourself look the fool, but is it an offence just to
question it? then they will show the evidence?
w00t
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:34 sluggo_ wrote:
[..]
denying it is one thing and yes I agree. if people want
to, go ahead use your freedom of speech and make
yourself look the fool, but is it an offence just to
question it? then they will show the evidence?
[/quote]
Yeah, sorry to say. But it is not allowed to question
the Holocaust over here. Don't get me wrong. It
happened. Heard stories from my grand-parents. Read
about it. Went to concentration camps. You can almost
sense the smell of burning bodies...
Some fucked up shit. I can tell you
that.
But, I agree, if you want to question the Holocaust,
one must be allowed to do so.
Freedom of speech is one of mankind's biggest
achievements. Fortunately, it is just a very, very
small group of people over here in Europe, denying the
holocaust.
They are also known as idiots.
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:09 Rougie wrote:
[..]
Let us take the "Mountains are pegs" example,
which Rosho used a while back.
He stated some scientific findings about the mass
equivalence of mountains to their subsurface alternate
mass, and so decided that this was what Mohammed meant
when he wrote that mountains are pegs.
Now I could come along and go "Mountains are
pegs...hmm, maybe he meant that they're good to hang
your washing on, because wind is generally more active
on mountains"
And as such, my interpretation is now just as
justifiable as the interpretation which Rosho gave.
Granted, I haven't looked through piles and piles of
Hadiths to help my interpretation, but it is still an
interpretation all the same.
Now apply the same procedure to all other Islamic
interpretations, and see what cool interpretations you
come up with. It's easy!
btw, you should read Aphid's link, it's rather good
reading. You simply cannot argue with what is said.
It's 'bulletproof', as you would say ;)[/quote]
first thing is
this is not something of the core of the religioun.
2 is....sence the dawn of Islam tel the 20th century
this had little meaning...until sound waves were usable
by humans and it showed how the mountains sustains
earths layers and minimise its drifting and
earthquakes.
3- you must understand that the noble Quran is only
Quran when its in arabic and traselations are not the
Quran...so until you learn arabic you will see how
amazing the discription is on the way that mountains
look and functions under the surface of the earth.
but again this is not interprated my Quran scholers but
by muslim scientists that dicovered the similarties.
4- wether this means that or means another thing....it
doesnt change what islam is....to me this is true until
proven wrong...and when proven wrong it still doesnt
harm islam. thats why i asked you to bring me something
from the core of the religoun. something like you shal
not pray or shal not fast
w00t
2 years ago
I'm getting tired of Islam...
-sigh-
Rougie
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:39 Final_Boss wrote:
3- you must understand that the noble Quran is only
Quran when its in arabic and traselations are not the
Quran...so until you learn arabic
[/quote]
Hey, Aphid. Check it out. He did exactly what your link
said (beer)
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:39 Final_Boss wrote:
to me this is true until proven wrong...and when proven
wrong it still doesnt harm islam. thats why i asked you
to bring me something from the core of the religoun.
you read the quran so i guess you would find
some...no?
[/quote]
I've said several times now that the Quran I once had,
is now mere ashes. Probably mud now. Getting trodden on
by pigs in a pen (j)
But no, I do not agree with you that I should bring
forth anything 'from the core' of Islam. If the Quran
is perfect, you should be able to argue for any aspect
of it, and not just the 'core' principles.
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:39 Final_Boss wrote:
in this verse Allah tells the muslims that at the
battle of (i think) Badr. when muslims where 300 and
the Quraish where 1000 and muslims won and here is a
speach of war to encourage the few muslims and tell
them not to worry God is with you all you have to do is
aim at the necks and lemps. and muslims after the
battle said that the heads of the enemys where chopped
off before the stoke. as Gos says in the aya that he
have sent angels to help them out.
[/quote]
And you told me only the other night that the Quran
wasn't a 'military history book of wars, battles,
people killed, how they were killed, etc'
You scoffed at me when I said that, yet here you are,
justifying my claim!
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:39 Final_Boss wrote:
so here it doesnt say go kill people....there are rules
and laws and regulations for Jihad.
[/quote]
Very very very bendy rules. It just depends on whose
interpretation you believe ;)
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:39 Final_Boss wrote:
but this verse might teach muslims something about war
as when in battle to aim for the neck
aphid
2 years ago
FB, thankyou for proving my point for me. Of course
that verse couldn't possibly refer to beheadings, what
a silly kuffar I am. So why do so many find themselves
beheaded at the hands of muslims?
Funny how you used almost every spin tactic described
in the article I posted above
(http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013967.php)
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:39 w00t wrote:
[..]
Yeah, sorry to say. But it is not allowed to question
the Holocaust over here. Don't get me wrong. It
happened. Heard stories from my grand-parents. Read
about it. Went to concentration camps. You can almost
sense the smell of burning bodies...
Some fucked up shit. I can tell you
that.
But, I agree, if you want to question the Holocaust,
one must be allowed to do so.
Freedom of speech is one of mankind's biggest
achievements. Fortunately, it is just a very, very
small group of people over here in Europe, denying the
holocaust.
They are also known as idiots.[/quote]
like I posted I have meet some old jews that survived
the camps, I have also meet some US vets that had seen
the camps. but I do agree, people should be allowed to
question what they choose. Like you might be
questioning how freash the vag is in my avatar. Isn't
she lovely?
[quote]I'm getting tired of Islam...[/quote]
yes I agree. but if FB is asked then he can answer, I
just don't understand why people question him or Rosho
over it. it will always end the same. nobody is going
to get anyone to change their mind, nobody is going to
see anything different, nobody is going to prove a
goddamn thing. so why bother. but hey, have fun
everybody:D
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:51 aphid wrote:
FB, thankyou for proving my point for me. Of course
that verse couldn't possibly refer to beheadings, what
a silly kuffar I am. So why do so many find themselves
beheaded at the hands of muslims?
Funny how you used almost every spin tactic described
in the article I posted above
(http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013967.php)[/quote]
ok tell me who beheaded incent non-muslims...other then
alsarqawy
w00t
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:39 Final_Boss wrote:
but this verse might teach muslims something about war
as when in battle to aim for the necks and limbs. so
yeah if my county is invaded by your country then ill
aim my rifle at the necks.[/quote]
You really are brainwashed. Those rules were known way
before your Prophet came to "enlighten" you
stupid Muslims. Yeah, Muslims are stupid. You heard me.
They are the most retarded idiots of planet Earth.
Read a book for a change.
Starting with Sun Tzu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War
Rougie
2 years ago
I don't think FB has questioned the Quran even once in
his life. Such is the extent of his brainwashing.
w00t
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:56 Final_Boss wrote:
[..]
ok tell me who beheaded incent non-muslims...other then
alsarqawy[/quote]
Narrow-minded fool.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/02/netherlands.
filmmaker/
You suck, FB. You really suck.
I hope all of you narrow-minded muslims (i.e.
not all muslims, but most of 'm) will be blown away by
allied forces.
Rougie
2 years ago
I thought they just shot and stabbed the Dutch
filmmaker, not cut off his head. Not that shooting and
then stabbing is anything less despicable, but I just
thought I'd clear that up :D
w00t
2 years ago
He shot him first, 'cause he was a pussy.
Like most of them.
aphid
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 11:56 Final_Boss wrote:
[..]
ok tell me who beheaded incent non-muslims...other then
alsarqawy[/quote]
I would post the entire articles but that'd take up too
much space, so here are the links if you'd care to
read:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013105.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013017.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/012656.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011429.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011059.php
There's plenty plenty more where that came from.
@Rougie It's impossible for FB to question the quran
since he has been raised to believe that it is the word
of god and is therefore unquestionable
tekeen
2 years ago
stop being twits and go plant a tree you insatiably
homo erotic religious zealots
Rougie
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:09 aphid wrote:
@Rougie It's impossible for FB to question the quran
since he has been raised to believe that it is the word
of god and is therefore unquestionable
[/quote]
Ha yes, I already know this and more :D
The one thing you never stop doing, is
questioning things!
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:12 tekeen wrote:
stop being twits and go plant a tree you insatiably
homo erotic religious zealots[/quote]
Tree hugger? :D;)
aphid
2 years ago
Here's another example of muslims misunderstanding
their religion:
Jakarta, May 11th - Seven suspected Islamic terrorists
have confessed to beheading three Christian schoolgirls
on Indonesia's Sulawesi Island, police said on
Wednesday.
The seven detained suspects confessed under questioning
that they planned and carried out the October 29
beheadings in the Sulawesi town of Poso, police chief
Lieutenant Colonel Rudi Sufahriadi told The Associated
Press.
Another girl was wounded but spared by the assailants,
he said.
Two of the suspects also say they have ties to Noordin
Top, regarded as a key leader of the al-Qaeda-linked
group Jemaah Islamiyah, according to Central Sulawesi
police chief Brigadier General Oegroseno.
Indonesia has arrested scores of militants belonging to
the al-Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiyah terror group in
recent years.
Final_Boss
2 years ago
But no, I do not agree with you that I should bring
forth anything 'from the core' of Islam. If the Quran
is perfect, you should be able to argue for any aspect
of it, and not just the 'core' principles.
well the Quran says that there are verses that are the
core of the book that can not be interrepted in other
way and other verses that are not the issential to
practice Islam and that are open to interpetation and
only Allah knows its true meaning. so there you go
again its bullet proof.
again this doesnt effect Islam ...bring me something
from the core.
and know they are not bendy they are only bendy because
you say so....funny how those who are killed are on
muslim land not the other way around.....mostly.
and yeah the Quran is not a book of war....you clearly
didnt read it. maybe you think you read it on some
sites of yours...let me give you a hint its 604 pages
and it talks about everything including war. it also
talks about food does that make it a cooking book? it
taks about personal hygiene does it mean that its a
medical book? read before you judge.
@ aphid
no, thank you;)
those who kill other muslims are idiots with no
knowledge but gang mentality.
@w00t
please read again the comments so you see how you made
a fool out of your self.
i didnt claim that its the first time that this is
mentioned. its maybe the first time those muslims have
heared of it...it was directed to them....understand
first then open your mouth.
and by the way sun tzu is a lame book to sujest because
even kids would read it i have read it 5 years ago when
i was in high school.
read "the romance of the three kingdoms"
thats a nice book to read. its older then the art of
war where in it the grandfather of sun tzu is a main
charecter and you would learen how to implement what
you have learned in sun tzu and where to.
its only 120 chapters
aphid
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:17 Final_Boss wrote:
funny how those who are killed are on muslim land not
the other way around.....mostly.
[/quote]
Well that makes it ok then! Damned dhimmis should know
their place
w00t
2 years ago
Whatever, FB.
You asked which Muslim beheaded non-muslims, besides
Al-Zarqawi.
There are dozens, thousands of examples, throughout
history.
I'm not gonna bother you with links or stories. You can
google it yourself.
We've had a politician over here in the Netherlands.
She was from Somalia. Raised as a Muslim. But she was
smart enough to turn away from Islam. She was hunted
down ever since. Couldn't live any longer in the
Netherlands. Threatened by death. 'Cause of stupid
Muslims. Her name? Hirsi Ali. A brave woman. She went
to the States. I hope she feels safe over there.
Without being threatened by retarded Muslims.
I'm done with religion. ESPECIALLY with Islam.
Muslims are the utmost retarded species of mankind.
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:26 w00t wrote:
Whatever, FB.
You asked which Muslim beheaded non-muslims, besides
Al-Zarqawi.
There are dozens, thousands of examples, throughout
history.
I'm not gonna bother you with links or stories. You can
google it yourself.
We've had a politician over here in the Netherlands.
She was from Somalia. Raised as a Muslim. But she was
smart enough to turn away from Islam. She was hunted
down ever since. Couldn't live any longer in the
Netherlands. Threatened by death. 'Cause of stupid
Muslims. Her name? Hirsi Ali. A brave woman. She went
to the States. I hope she feels safe over there.
Without being threatened by retarded Muslims.
I'm done with religion. ESPECIALLY with Islam.
Muslims are the utmost retarded species of
mankind.[/quote]
no wooy ur wrong matey , jappies are :o
sup woot (beer):D(j)
MOKIMANN
2 years ago
LOL, How funny his leg is crippled for life,Haha, I
want more of this stuff
:)
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Rougie
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:17 Final_Boss wrote:
well the Quran says that there are verses that are the
core of the book that can not be interrepted in other
way and other verses that are not the issential to
practice Islam and that are open to interpetation and
only Allah knows its true meaning. so there you go
again its bullet proof.
[/quote]
The Quran cannot interpret itself, only people can
interpret what is said, and because people interpret
what is said, therefore there is a good chance that the
interpretation is wrong. Unfortunately for you and the
rest of the Muslims in the world, the only guy who
could tell you for definite what even the 'core
principles' mean, died over a thousand years ago.
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:17 Final_Boss wrote:
bring me something from the core
[/quote]
Define 'the core', and give examples of 'the core'.
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:17 Final_Boss wrote:
funny how those who are killed are on muslim land not
the other way around.....mostly.
[/quote]
Aren't you forgetting 9/11, or 7/7? Or do you consider
them 'Muslim land?
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:17 Final_Boss wrote:
the Quran is not a book of war....you clearly didnt
read it.
[/quote]
--------
On 12-12-06 11:39 Final_Boss wrote:
in this verse Allah tells the muslims that at the
battle of (i think) Badr. when muslims where 300
and the Quraish where 1000 and muslims won and
here is a speech of war to encourage the few
muslims and tell them not to worry God is with you all
you have to do is aim at the necks and lemps.
and muslims after the battle said that the
heads of the enemys where chopped off
before the stoke.
--------
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:17 Final_Boss wrote:
it talks about everything including war.
[/quote]
^^^ (j)
w00t
2 years ago
Sup Trop?
Bolton doing fine?
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
[quote][/quote]
On 12-12-06 12:17 Final_Boss wrote:
bring me something from the core
u keep the core pal it was only an apple :?(beer)
MOKIMANN
2 years ago
You all can come suck my wilkins!!!!
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Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:25 aphid wrote:
[..]
Well that makes it ok then! Damned dhimmis should know
their place[/quote]
that ment that those who got killed (Iraq for example)
are soldiers invading a country....wether your a muslim
or an athiest you must defend your country and fight
for it. but if lets say toursists are visting a country
or living in a country with the aproval of the ruler
then its forbidin to harm them.
and b the way do you know the meaning of the word
dhimi
its from the word dhima which means Custody.
any forigener that is non muslim is at the Custody of
every muslim...and every muslim must see to that this
person lives well and in peace....protect him...and
defend him...and if he asks for sanctuary from a muslim
against another muslim...he must give him sanctuary.
when zakah is do (the money collected from the rich and
givin to the poor) he gets a share as well.
you better rethink your sites and there way s of
bending words.
you cant fight truth with lies. fight truth with truth.
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:40 Final_Boss wrote:
[..]
that ment that those who got killed (Iraq for example)
are soldiers invading a country....wether your a muslim
or an athiest you must defend your country and fight
for it. but if lets say toursists are visting a country
or living in a country with the aproval of the ruler
then its forbidin to harm them.
join the club "like"
and b the way do you know the meaning of the word
dhimi
its from the word dhima which means Custody.
any forigener that is non muslim is at the Custody of
every muslim...and every muslim must see to that this
person lives well and in peace....protect him...and
defend him...and if he asks for sanctuary from a muslim
against another muslim...he must give him sanctuary.
when zakah is do (the money collected from the rich and
givin to the poor) he gets a share as well.
you better rethink your sites and there way s of
bending words.
you cant fight truth with lies. fight truth with
truth.[/quote]
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 12:43 tropicalwITE wrote:
[..]
[/quote]
well said moron:D
aphid
2 years ago
Once again you spin your propaganda very convincingly
FB, shame that reality rarely reflects the islamic
theory of which you speak (just take what is going on
in darfur as one of a multitude of examples). If by
'your sites' you're referring to jihadwatch, those
links I posted were to actual news articles.....no
bending of words there, just irrefutable fact.
Final_Boss
2 years ago
goodnight yall im getting tired and late on my work do
tomorow.
im talking to at least 3 guys each talking about a
different issue. but ill try to answer non the less.
but now you must excuse me for i shall fade in the
background. if u got any questions u want to ask save
it for later but do ask. now ciao
aphid
2 years ago
It's been a pleasure debating with you as always, until
next time.
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
woy i mean't was :?
somthin aboat a core :? still lost ,me also
anyway F_B u can keep the core ,i'll eat the nice part
of the apple:D
do i sound like a yanki boy or wot :D
cof cof i am :?
slup sug(beer) moronic cunt (beer)
Rougie
2 years ago
The sad thing is, nothing anybody said here to FB, has
influenced his faith one bit. He is still as much of a
brainwashed zealot as he was when this first began.
sluggo_
2 years ago
been that way for along time rougie. nobody is going to
get him to question a damn thing. you really think,
after reading something posted on dump he is going to
think "well that makes sense, I think I will go
question my parents or my teachers who have been
shoving this trite down my neck for so long" a
blind man cannot see;)
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
no slug just listen 2 me pal ,u need 2 sort ya muff out
before anythin else dude (beer)
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 13:13 tropicalwITE wrote:
no slug just listen 2 me pal ,u need 2 sort ya muff out
before anythin else dude (beer)[/quote]
hey trop. I took a pic of your mum last time I saw her.
what you think?
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
are u my brother :?
sluggo_
2 years ago
huh. dunno. maybe:o
STFU
2 years ago
Religions sucks, dats all Ive got to say about dat.
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 13:24 STFU wrote:
Religions sucks, dats all Ive got to say about
dat.[/quote]
so does trops mum. but you already knew that:o:D:D:D
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 13:21 sluggo_ wrote:
huh. dunno. maybe:o[/quote]
thats the last time we saw ya in ya avatar ,then we put
u on a ship sos bruv :o:D(beer)
STFU
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 13:26 sluggo_ wrote:
[..]
so does trops mum. but you already knew
that:o:D:D:D[/quote]
Boy do I ever !! :D
BOZOZO
2 years ago
seems someone ran away after losing a debate,as
usual,guess who it is,and you win a bottle of
champagne.
Fill the dots : .........
STFU
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 13:53 BOZOZO wrote:
seems someone ran away after losing a debate,as
usual,guess who it is,and you win a bottle of
champagne.
Fill the dots : .........[/quote]
hmm............in the dots it says, BOZOZO's mum is up
for free.
BOZOZO
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 14:00 STFU wrote:
[..]
hmm............in the dots it says, BOZOZO's mum is up
for free.[/quote]
And in your brain it says empty
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 14:10 BOZOZO wrote:
[..]
And in your brain it says empty[/quote]
no it says allquilla (beer)
sup bozo (beer):D(j)
STFU
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 14:10 BOZOZO wrote:
[..]
And in your brain it says empty[/quote]
It does? Funny, I didn't hear it say that.
BOZOZO
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 14:13 tropicalwITE wrote:
[..]
no it says allquilla (beer)
sup bozo (beer):D(j)[/quote]
hola chavalito,que tal(beer)
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 13:53 BOZOZO wrote:
seems someone ran away after losing a debate,as
usual,guess who it is,and you win a bottle of
champagne.
Fill the dots : .........[/quote]
well boz. you need to take into account someones basic
intelligence and thought process. thats why I asked the
question about the holocaust. any one that denies that,
might as well just dismiss them, there is no need to
try and debate with them. it's just not worth any time
to debate with someone that has such a limited
knowledge of actual history and fact(beer)
BOZOZO
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 14:18 sluggo_ wrote:
[..]
well boz. you need to take into account someones basic
intelligence and thought process. thats why I asked the
question about the holocaust. any one that denies that,
might as well just dismiss them, there is no need to
try and debate with them. it's just not worth any time
to debate with someone that has such a limited
knowledge of actual history and fact(beer)[/quote]
Of course it isn't,the president of iran just created
that forum to piss israel off.
In the other hand,i've never heard any israeli official
calling on the destruction of iran,which has been done
by ahmadinejerk,talking about israel.
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
OIHI NO HABLAR EN SERIO HOY POR FAVOR ,ES SOLO TE ,SLUG
Y UN TONTO NINO/A llamado stfu :D y yo tambien (beer)
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 14:25 BOZOZO wrote:
[..]
Of course it isn't,the president of iran just created
that forum to piss israel off.
In the other hand,i've never heard any israeli official
calling on the destruction of iran,which has been done
by ahmadinejerk,talking about israel.
[/quote]
you think he did it just to get a reaction? I think he
really believes what he is saying, really that
stupid.
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 14:33 sluggo_ wrote:
[..]
you think he did it just to get a reaction? I think he
really believes what he is saying, really that stupid.
[/quote]
is he american :D(j)
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 15:14 tropicalwITE wrote:
[..]
is he american :D(j)[/quote]
I notice you are never able to have anything
intelligent to post, just always looking to try and
start shit with people. not much different then
chi chi. you are in good company. when you have
something to say, that makes sense, get back to me ok.
until then. fuck off;)
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
Bolton 4 West Ham 0
ALAN PARDEW called on his troubled West Ham side to
show more character after the club was on the receiving
end of a crushing 4-0 defeat at Bolton.
As a result, West Ham have plunged deeper into the
relegation battle and boss Pardew urged his side to
stand up and be counted at this crucial stage of the
season.
Pardew said: "We are going to need some strong
characters to bounce back after this result-we are in a
tight spot. As a team we were not good enough today.
"Bolton were very good, unfortunately we were the
opposite. We were very stretched at the back."
Meanwhile, Bolton chief Sam Allardyce was thrilled with
his team's awesome attacking display and claimed it was
the right response after a recent run of indifferent
results.
The attack-minded trio of Kevin Davies (two), El Hadji
Diouf and Nicolas Anelka all found the net in a game
that left Allardyce smiling.
Allardyce said: "I'm absolutely delighted because
we'd lost two games and we've found goals difficult to
come by.
"To get four today, with the front three all
scoring, was terrific. Our finishing was high quality
and it's a big victory. Hopefully it gives us the
confidence to go on a run."
are u interested :D
IAM_CANADIAN
2 years ago
Didn't see any mention of hockey ...sorry Trop I'll
pass....
Boomie
2 years ago
Everybody always goes on and on and on about how people
get killed over religion.....
There are 2 problems with this argument.
a) Whoever 'kills' for their religion is breaking some
fundamental rules of their own religion. NO major
world religion endorses murder.
Islamic texts instruct them to peacefully tolerate Jews
and Christians... people 'of the book'.--- Not to
mention, those three religions honor Moses, one of the
ten commandments being "thou shalt not do
murder"--
And every other major religion shares these same basic
principles. So whenever somebody kills 'over
religion'--- they are infact killing AGAINST their
religion and NOT for it.
b)WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY more people have been killed
since WWI in the name of 'nationalism' then have EVER
been killed in the name of religion...
Why is it that everybody violently attacks religion
for causing conflict and bloodshed... and yet, hardly
any of you go after nationalism? And those who do
(America bashers).. get frowned upon and attacked.
You thinking seems a little backwards to me.
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 15:52 IAM_CANADIAN wrote:
Didn't see any mention of hockey ...sorry Trop I'll
pass....[/quote]
sorry but its mi team :D
btw the opposing team manager got the boot the nxt day
hehe :o
sorry slug was that childish ;)
anyway laters i'm goin lookin 4 the US NAVAL THREAD
N THEN SLEEPIN ;'(:D
sluggo_
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 15:46 tropicalwITE wrote:
are u interested :D[/quote]
in soccer. not for a second.
IAM_CANADIAN
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 16:00 tropicalwITE wrote:
[..]
sorry but its mi team :D
btw the opposing team manager got the boot the nxt day
hehe :o
sorry slug was that childish ;)
anyway laters i'm goin lookin 4 the US NAVAL THREAD
N THEN SLEEPIN ;'(:D[/quote]
EH what ever flicks your switch......(beer)(beer)(beer)
tropicalwITE
2 years ago
FOOTY
STFU
2 years ago
Farted I did, done and blew up da house when me had
smokes.:(
Rosho
2 years ago
Good Evening guys!
Finalboss, Asalamaulikum, you doing good whipping their
ass bro(beer)
STFU
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 17:11 Rosho wrote:
Good Evening guys!
Finalboss, Asalamaulikum, you doing good whipping their
ass bro(beer)[/quote]
Delusional are you?
IAM_CANADIAN
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 16:03 tropicalwITE wrote:
FOOTY [/quote]
Than power to FOOTY.....(beer)(beer)(beer)(beer)
I'll stick to my hockey...GO LEAFS GO...(beer)
w00t
2 years ago
Derka Derka!
aphid
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 17:11 Rosho wrote:
Finalboss, Asalamaulikum, you doing good whipping their
ass bro(beer)[/quote]
You serious? He got owned...........again, and
then ran away.
Rosho
2 years ago
No aphid, that's what you think. I saw that man
debating with all of you at once, he just have a
different perspective then you guys. If he says
something that you dislike or differ from doesn't mean
he is wrong!
And he didn't run away, I am sure he had something to
do. He has a life unlike some people here!:)
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 12-12-06 15:55 Boomie wrote:
Everybody always goes on and on and on about how people
get killed over religion.....
There are 2 problems with this argument.
a) Whoever 'kills' for their religion is breaking some
fundamental rules of their own religion. NO major
world religion endorses murder.
Islamic texts instruct them to peacefully tolerate Jews
and Christians... people 'of the book'.--- Not to
mention, those three religions honor Moses, one of the
ten commandments being "thou shalt not do
murder"--
And every other major religion shares these same basic
principles. So whenever somebody kills 'over
religion'--- they are infact killing AGAINST their
religion and NOT for it.
b)WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY more people have been killed
since WWI in the name of 'nationalism' then have EVER
been killed in the name of religion...
Why is it that everybody violently attacks religion
for causing conflict and bloodshed... and yet, hardly
any of you go after nationalism? And those who do
(America bashers).. get frowned upon and attacked.
You thinking seems a little backwards to me.[/quote]
pure wisdom.....pure wisdom.
@ Rosho
Wa Alykum alSalam wa rahmat Allah wa barakatuh.
long time no see bro. how is stuff :D
jappie
2 years ago
i hat verdonk
aphid
2 years ago
[quote]On 13-12-06 14:08 Final_Boss wrote:
[..]
pure wisdom.....pure wisdom.
[/quote]
There's no wisdom there, just someone who has fallen
victim to muslim propaganda. Boomie, you really need to
do some research.
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 13-12-06 14:27 aphid wrote:
[..]
There's no wisdom there, just someone who has fallen
victim to muslim propaganda. Boomie, you really need to
do some research.[/quote]
lol at you....you should put your hate aside and think.
aphid
2 years ago
Yes laugh it up FB, all you've got left is rhetoric.
Rosho
2 years ago
Finalboss, my brother. Everything is cool bro!
And Boomie is a real intelligent guy, he has been one
since his arrival on
dumpalink!(beer)(beer)(beer)(beer)(beer)(beer)
aphid
2 years ago
But seriously tho, put my hate aside and think? woooo,
how profound. What am I supposed to be thinking about?
The rising price of cod, the taste of avacados?
Does this mean the debate's over? Cos I thought you
were gonna come back and answer some of our questions.
As for boomies statement about Islamic texts
instructing muslims to peacefully tolerate Jews and
Christians, I'd like to know which specific texts he's
referring to (more specifically if he's ever read any
of the quran) or if he's just reciting something he
heard from our friendly resident muslims? I'd also like
to know that if muslims are supposed to be peaceful and
tolerant towards jews and christians, then why is
islamic history rife with persecution of both jews and
christians and why is this persecution still continuing
to this day?
Final_Boss
2 years ago
[quote]On 13-12-06 15:20 aphid wrote:
But seriously tho, put my hate aside and think? woooo,
how profound. What am I supposed to be thinking about?
The rising price of cod, the taste of avacados?
Does this mean the debate's over? Cos I thought you
were gonna come back and answer some of our questions.
As for boomies statement about Islamic texts
instructing muslims to peacefully tolerate Jews and
Christians, I'd like to know which specific texts he's
referring to (more specifically if he's ever read any
of the quran) or if he's just reciting something he
heard from our friendly resident muslims? I'd also like
to know that if muslims are supposed to be peaceful and
tolerant towards jews and christians, then why is
islamic history rife with persecution of both jews and
christians and why is this persecution still continuing
to this day?[/quote]
show me where in history and ill answer you
Pin_Head
2 years ago
[quote]On 13-12-06 15:23 Final_Boss wrote:
[..]
show me where in history and ill answer you[/quote]
all of this info has been provided to you so many
times. it just never sinks in because you lack simple
common sense and the ability to reason and think for
yourself