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Enter the text you see:                 sub_low 2 years ago Its been said it once by many , ill say it again now , to many fat cats in the US and the Middle East with American interests making a shiteload from investing in or owning oil companies around the world,. As the reserves run out the price will go up and up and up and up and up as long as this technology is suppressed, Welcome to the glorious global world of capitalism motivated governments ! Who actually runs your government ???????(beer) Only an idiot would think its the people we actually "elected" having the final say in anything for the masses! Rougie 2 years ago The cars that are being spoken of, are now rusting away in a desert thanks to the Bush administration. It's well documented. goldenboy08 2 years ago wow godius thanks for setting up another amercica bashing post you tard Blackpaw 2 years ago [quote]On 12-09-06 03:37 sub_low wrote: Its been said it once by many , ill say it again now , to many fat cats in the US and the Middle East with American interests making a shiteload from investing in or owning oil companies around the world,. As the reserves run out the price will go up and up and up and up and up as long as this technology is suppressed, Welcome to the glorious global world of capitalism motivated governments ! Who actually runs your government ???????(beer) Only an idiot would think its the people we actually "elected" having the final say in anything for the masses! [/quote] Don't get me wrong, I'm no hippy. but I think when polititans first get elected they set out too change the world for the good, only to get bogged down by the bureaucracy in the halls of power, and yes corporation get away with far to much. but the real power lies with the silent majority who occasionally rise up and demand change. I just hope one day, the electric car gets up and we don't rely on oil for our cars.(beer) everyone will be happy bar the oil companys but fuck them!!! The_Devil 2 years ago Well, never mind all the assholes who are going to be pissing and moaning about America being to blame. before you bunch of "big nose jews" and filthy muslims get going lets keep in mind the U.S. isn't the only auto maker. If yu think we're the only ones capable of making one, thank you. Anyhow, with my disclaimer out of the way, this video feels like propoganda to me. Don't get me wrong, I just wrote a letter yesterday to my state senator about E85. he was endorsing a campaign to promote E85 and I wrote a ltter to tell him how bad the idea was. E85 is mearly shifting who the asshole over charging me is from a tyrant over seas, to one in my own back yard. These electric cars could be cool, but you wonder how much of this movie is micheal moore-ish. goldenboy08 2 years ago :o AlgeRonin 2 years ago [quote]On 12-09-06 04:21 goldenboy08 wrote: wow godius thanks for setting up another amercica bashing post you tard[/quote] open your eyes man... goldenboy08 2 years ago :o Scumfeld 2 years ago lets sue em donyahelwa 2 years ago [quote]On 12-09-06 05:57 The_Devil wrote: Well, never mind all the assholes who are going to be pissing and moaning about America being to blame. before you bunch of "big nose jews" and filthy muslims get going lets keep in mind the U.S. isn't the only auto maker. If yu think we're the only ones capable of making one, thank you. Anyhow, with my disclaimer out of the way, this video feels like propoganda to me. Don't get me wrong, I just wrote a letter yesterday to my state senator about E85. he was endorsing a campaign to promote E85 and I wrote a ltter to tell him how bad the idea was. E85 is mearly shifting who the asshole over charging me is from a tyrant over seas, to one in my own back yard. These electric cars could be cool, but you wonder how much of this movie is micheal moore-ish.[/quote] you.. I think you have to do some more research... This is just a hint... The hidden is more than what you will read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Corporation see what does GM hold in their palm. If you are not convinced... I can't promis you that you'll be any time later. goldenboy08 2 years ago [quote]On 12-09-06 06:12 AlgeRonin wrote: [..] open your eyes man...[/quote] you see the thing is my eyes have been open since the day I was born and it wasn't yesterday I just have this annoying tendency to look at all the facts not just what I want to see and after looking at all the facts not just what I want to see I form my own opinion of what is going not just roll with the same opinions as others so that when my information falters someone else can back my up. Open your ears eyes and mind man..... sub_low 2 years ago [quote]On 12-09-06 05:25 Blackpaw wrote: [..] Don't get me wrong, I'm no hippy. but I think when polititans first get elected they set out too change the world for the good, only to get bogged down by the bureaucracy in the halls of power, and yes corporation get away with far to much. but the real power lies with the silent majority who occasionally rise up and demand change. I just hope one day, the electric car gets up and we don't rely on oil for our cars.(beer) everyone will be happy bar the oil companys but fuck them!!! [/quote] Id have to agree with that completely. Problem is it seems in this day and age is we live on a planet filled with moaners. People who bitch about it but never do anything about it. The few that do stand on their own 2 feet and speak out publicly don’t get taken seriously and often made out to be some kind of head case or conspiracy theorist by the media. In actual fact often the evidence is right there for all to see if people just stopped and took the time to have a nosey at all the info available and thought about it rather than jumping on the bandwagon and simply dismissing it with out investigating in fear of upsetting the rest of the herd. It is pretty obvious however that global corporations run the planet. Sadly for the masses is that they do spend the money and take the time to protect themselves by putting the right people in the right places and then surrounding themselves in untouchable laws to protect their interests. Having the media on their side and in their corner is probably the biggest tool. America’s secretes are EXTREMELY guarded. Like a few other wealthy nations UK included in the case of the US it seems any one not American who publicly speaks out against America's actions on foreign soil is very quickly labels Anti-America and or worse a Terrorist! Credibility quickly goes out the window and people turn back to their morning coffee and typically out of context news papers and Kernow 2 years ago One of the biggest reasons that electric cars are not yet popular, is that they run on electricity. Duh, you might say, but where do we get electricity from? We get it from power stations, either gas, coal, oil or nuclear fueled power stations. To get enough energy to drive a car just a few hundred miles, we would have to increase the output from the power stations by a staggering amount. There is renewable energy sources such as wind, wave or solar power, but if these were at a technically efficient level now, don't you think that we might be using them to power our homes? Hybrid cars are more popular now, using wasted energy (like coasting downhill), to recharge the electric motor. This is a great step forward, but they are not much more efficient than petrol (gas for you yanks) fueled cars. When renewable energy sources are efficient enough, we may be able to spare some of the energy to power our cars. The_Devil 2 years ago [quote]On 12-09-06 07:21 donyahelwa wrote: [..] you.. I think you have to do some more research... This is just a hint... The hidden is more than what you will read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Corporation see what does GM hold in their palm. If you are not convinced... I can't promis you that you'll be any time later. [/quote] Hey man, like I said, I'm not saying good or bad. I'm just saying this clip felt very much like every conspiracy movie full of half lies that I hate. lets name a few, walmart- high cost of low prices farenheit 9/11 loose change 1&2 and a few more that are a lot of fluff and very little fact. Wiki isn't a website ruled by fact. its a website made by several users contributing. so, I can't say its a good fact based place to find any information. I'm not saying EV1 couldn't have been great, but GM spending billions to make it and also standing to make a few billion more selling the first and only electric car and then deciding not to for oil? seems a bit far fetched to me. if the agenda is to make money, it would have cost the oil producers billions if not trillions to keep this under wraps. I'll bet there was another issue all together not named yet in this discussion. goldenboy08 2 years ago [quote]On 12-09-06 07:40 sub_low wrote: [..] Id have to agree with that completely. Problem is it seems in this day and age is we live on a planet filled with moaners. People who bitch about it but never do anything about it. The few that do stand on their own 2 feet and speak out publicly don’t get taken seriously and often made out to be some kind of head case or conspiracy theorist by the media. In actual fact often the evidence is right there for all to see if people just stopped and took the time to have a nosey at all the info available and thought about it rather than jumping on the bandwagon and simply dismissing it with out investigating in fear of upsetting the rest of the herd. It is pretty obvious however that global corporations run the planet. Sadly for the masses is that they do spend the money and take the time to protect themselves by putting the right people in the right places and then surrounding themselves in untouchable laws to protect their interests. Having the media on their side and in their corner is probably the biggest tool. America’s secretes are EXTREMELY guarded. Like a few other wealthy nations UK included in the case of the US it seems any one not American who publicly speaks out against America's actions on foreign soil is very quickly labels Anti-America and or worse a Terrorist! Credibility quickly goes out the window and people turn back to their morning coffee and typically out of context news papers and let someone else sort it out. Not hard for the corporations to run things how they want when the world works this way is it ? [/quote] I agree with a majority of what you said there but there are a few things I take issue with. One I dont think you can label it as the cooperations running things the same one thing runs the US and the rest of the world its the money it just so happens that in the cooperations are holding it all and want more of it. Two America's secrets arent as closely gaurded as you th PS_4 2 years ago What happened to the "QT video alert" godius? You ass hole it made me freeze both firefox and IE. sub_low 2 years ago [quote]On 12-09-06 08:34 goldenboy08 wrote: [..] I agree with a majority of what you said there but there are a few things I take issue with. One I dont think you can label it as the cooperations running things the same one thing runs the US and the rest of the world its the money it just so happens that in the cooperations are holding it all and want more of it. Two America's secrets arent as closely gaurded as you think and people who speak out against the US are not labled Anti-American and Terrorist. People who physically attack the US or have the means and intentions to do so are labled as terrorist. Credability of people who speak against the US only goes out the window because whatever they are claiming has none. How would anyone label someone not from the US as anti-american for speaking out against the actions on foreign soil when the majority of Americans are also speaking out against it only people who use there chance to speak out to spout nonsense are scoffed at not anyone who makes sense. Also its not the ignorance of the people on this planet that allows the cooperations to run things its our materialistic nature. We want things we want to own them and show them off and attract the oppisite sex with them. Its easy for the cooperations to run the world because humans are animals but noone seems to want to admit it.[/quote] Yeah on many accounts your right there mate, I guess we all form opinions based on what we see but not always first hand, I know I do if im honest but I do try not to. My point was people don’t investigate enough on their own anymore and people do get easily labelled and bullied the moment they start getting a little loud for the ones beig targeted. Many people in the middle east might say American Government is the modern age terrorist due to the invasion on their soil and the numbers of civilians that had nothing to do with 911, not it seems people are to quick to label any Islamic from the middle east a Cylus 2 years ago [quote]On 12-09-06 08:06 Kernow wrote: One of the biggest reasons that electric cars are not yet popular, is that they run on electricity. Duh, you might say, but where do we get electricity from? We get it from power stations, either gas, coal, oil or nuclear fueled power stations. To get enough energy to drive a car just a few hundred miles, we would have to increase the output from the power stations by a staggering amount. There is renewable energy sources such as wind, wave or solar power, but if these were at a technically efficient level now, don't you think that we might be using them to power our homes? Hybrid cars are more popular now, using wasted energy (like coasting downhill), to recharge the electric motor. This is a great step forward, but they are not much more efficient than petrol (gas for you yanks) fueled cars. When renewable energy sources are efficient enough, we may be able to spare some of the energy to power our cars.[/quote] Actually the electricity isnt produced by any of the energy sources you have states above, its produced by hydrogen, there are many ways of producing hydrogen on a large scale not including those you states, for example an Israeli company has developed ways of producing large amounts of Hydrogen using common metals such as Magnesium, Zinc and Aluminium, none of which cause pollution, the only reason these methods are being thwarted is because as stated above, theres not as much money making involved, research then opinion please. Rosho 2 years ago :o Kiko 2 years ago Im tired of these god damn conspiracy theories. Bagboul 2 years ago Damn goverment!!! MEXICOOL 2 years ago brown power MikeVerbeek 2 years ago so funnay to see people typ storys... but for what?? just to try and convince somebody.. well i can tell ya.. it aint happening(beer) TheRyz 2 years ago Since when is it illegal to convert a diesel to run fry oil? The biggest problems with the EV-1 were travel distance and time to recharge. GM had never meant for the cars to be out forever. Those that received them knew this but decide to whine now. Those that go along with this crap probably have Moore tatoos on their arse. FinalBoss 2 years ago Any: Anti-America (anti-bush) = Conspiracy theories, Moore. Pro-America = Intilligent modren civilized human. Cant some of you have a brave stand somewhere between the 2? revenger 2 years ago you know, i can reproduce electricty by farting :(:D The_Devil 2 years ago [quote]On 12-09-06 15:07 FinalBoss wrote: Any: Anti-America (anti-bush) = Conspiracy theories, Moore. Pro-America = Intilligent modren civilized human. Cant some of you have a brave stand somewhere between the 2? [/quote] Is this an anti American/Anti-Bush clip? Islam must make people stupid, you use to make some sense. cuntmaster 2 years ago First off, i gotta say-(j). ok, with that said, that was a fucckin stupid movie! Everyone knows we have the electic technology. Its been proven agian and agian in universitys and colleges, and in rare cases, the car industry. Of course its the people who make the money off oil(exxon, the middle east), and their friends(gm, all oil drivin auto manufacturers, Gov't)Just think, how much money do you think all forms of goverment make off of gas vehicles every year. local gov't-licensing, registration. state-taxes from gas. federal-taxes from sale. And........how much money do you suppose it take to convert just one of thousands of auto producing plants from making gas vehicles, to electric? let alone training from the mechanics to ceo's about them. seems in both cases like a lot of money to lose to help me, you and the country. ThoughtCrime 2 years ago 1. Rumor: There were 5,000 people who wanted an EV1, but GM wouldn't let them buy it. Fact: There were 5,000 people who expressed interest in an EV1, but when GM called them back and explained that the car cost $299-plus a month to lease, went between 60 and 80 miles on a full charge, and took between 45 minutes and 15 hours to re-charge, very few would commit to leasing one (not too surprising, is it?). The film likes to quote a figure of 29 miles as the average American's daily driving needs, but that is a national figure and the EV1 was only sold in California and Arizona, primarily in Los Angeles. Anyone wanna guess what the average L.A. resident's daily driving need is? I'm betting it's higher than that national average. As a comparison I actually ran the numbers on a 1997 EV1 against a 1997 Volkswagen Jetta Turbodiesel based on electricity and fuel charges at the time. Between lease charges and fuel/electricity charges, the EV1 cost at least $500 more a year to operate than the Jetta, and the Jetta could hold over twice as many people (five versus two), 50 percent more cargo (15 cubic feet versus 10) and would go almost 600 miles on a tank of fuel versus 60 miles on a charge. And when the Jetta did need filled it took 10 minutes -- not 45 minutes for a partial re-charge and 15 hours for a full re-charge. Ask me again why the electric car died. 2. Rumor: The California Air Resources Board (CARB) originally required automakers to produce electric vehicles, but political pressure from the automakers and oil companies forced them to abandon this law. Fact: Actually, CARB simply wanted the automakers to produce zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs) and, in 1990, the only way to accomplish that was with electric vehicles. But in the past 15 years computer processing and fuel injection technology has allowed internal combustion engines to burn so cleanly that they are the equivelant of ZEVs (such as the Toyota Prius). Actually, some might argue gasoline-powered Z madhat 2 years ago the electric car has only a future if there is a good way to make Hydrogen. nobody want's to re-charge his car for an hour just to go to work. Hydrogen has 14304 joules a kilo, oil has about 2000 joules a kilo (depends on the processing) do the math... I'm glad some companys (Shell, BP) do something with it.... needle 2 years ago I like the sound of my V8 engine in the morning...because it makes my mates envious!! I fancy the smell of gazoline when filling the tank... and the few drops that fall on the flor in the station... I also like the noice and smell of a burnning and creeping wheels... It makes me important in the eyes of other people, and blond chicks like it!!! oberon 2 years ago (GOOD) Free Public Transport for everyone! Is it so fucking hard to know this is the best sollution, or you just need to be oberon for that!(beer) Jethro 2 years ago There's a problem with recycling those batteries, too, batteries that at best last only 4 or 5 years. Or maybe several problems as the biggest one is people; people just don't want to do it. The_Judge 2 years ago Electric cars now are impractical because the energy they use is mostly (around 90%) created by gasoline down at the powerplant. If people where to cover there roofs w/ solar panels, or lower the the usage of gasoline to create power, then electric cars would be more practical. The best thing "you" can do if you want to lower the dependency on oil would be to buy a solar panel or other sort of device (ie windmill). spiraball 2 years ago put a windmill on top of the care, the faster the car the more energy are being produced haha. this is a great idea, great indead(beer). also im not joking:D. design some windmill like jet engine? 2 on each sides? 2 on each sides and one on top? nice(j)